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[00:00:56] See the show notes to learn more or go to patreon.com. Okay, what were your favorite questions from Patreon? Okay, this is from Jackie Shemwell.

[00:01:07] How did you feel about what Nancy said about trying to separate the quote sex crimes part from the case from the quote other crimes? Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that this sixth episode arc in the vow has some redemption for her.

[00:01:22] But those first few episodes don't bode well in terms of how she's trying to vindicate herself and clearly trying to avoid responsibility. It's frustrating because we know now that the two things were intrinsically linked.

[00:01:38] And we've always, you know, in the other interviews that we've done since speaking about this, tried to explain that there was the personal development on the outside and then like the sex cult stuff on the inside.

[00:01:48] In other words, you could take training and not know about it, which is true. But for her as the leader, she had to know about all of it. And perhaps she didn't know about the branding until, you know, we blew the whistle and exposed it.

[00:02:02] But she certainly knew that Keith was having sex with multiple women in the leadership. And she knows that because she was yemming people on their jealousy issues and having to, you know, quote, share his penis. So it's frustrating. That's how it felt. How about you?

[00:02:19] I would just say that's her campaign to minimize her association with abuses. I think it's nothing more. The mere fact that she had to yam people on Keith's sexual behavior with the women that were there to work on personal and professional development,

[00:02:33] that's the reason they signed up and then protect that she was doing that to everyone else, knowing that he was preying on women. Sorry, Nancy. It's just not, not buying anything that she's selling.

[00:02:45] I think that's because she was acclimated to the abuse of behavior that was going on or just simply didn't have a problem with it, which neither good looks. How did you feel when Nancy allowed her anger to show for a minute? This is from Karen Juliano.

[00:02:58] How did you feel when Nancy let her anger to show for a minute there at the end, the real Nancy in my opinion, my honest opinion, and then tucked it away neatly back in her pocket?

[00:03:05] I found it to be terrifying like watching an alien pop out of its human suit for a moment. Yeah. How'd you feel? So here's what I think. I think she was showing people how good the tools worked when she was explaining it.

[00:03:16] And I think she's that unaware of... How fucked up it is? Yes. Look, I think she's going, here's what we do, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she's showing that she's an example of it, but not really recognizing. Nobody gives a shit about it.

[00:03:30] This is how it ended up. You just showed how you got away with your abuse. She isn't reconciled. Yeah. Does that make sense? Oh yeah. No, it looks sociopathic. Yeah. It looks so crazy. I'm not necessarily convinced she is. I just think she's totally lost sensitivity to like,

[00:03:46] that's not a positive thing you just did. And I think she's selling it. This is what our tools do, right? Yeah. Knowing her, knowing like that's how she sold the curriculum. Blah. Well, look at how it came off.

[00:04:01] Look at how this person, look at how Kira and Juliano is asking the question. Yeah. No, I mean the number of people... Thank you, Karen. And I saw that on Instagram a lot. Thank you, Karen. Can you got another one for me? This one's from Gigalbit.

[00:04:12] I'm curious about the intent of Das. Originally, I thought the master-slave relationships was about surrender and discipline, and listening to the way folks described being quote, at cause in the ESP curriculum and listening to the strong emphasis, lawyerless focus so strongly on women's quote,

[00:04:27] choice and giving consent to something undefined. I wonder was the abuse and Das intentional and pre-planned? Was the whole thing some terrible and intentional exercise and getting the members of Das to make a quote, choice, setting them up for abuse and then having some twisted higher purpose

[00:04:42] and reconciling being at cause? I guess the question overall is, was the abuse and Das intentional and pre-planned? As far as we know, Keith needed a way to keep women loyal and have a fresh supply for sex for him.

[00:04:57] So, and he needed to make it look like everyone chose. So that's on the main tenant of what we all learned in next year and for years, everything's choice. We chose, we agreed, we gave our collateral willingly,

[00:05:09] which is bullshit because we gave our collateral willingly based on the lie that we were joining a women's group for women's empowerment. Not we're joining a group where we're giving collateral for Keith's personal spank bank, right? So this was totally intentional and pre-planned.

[00:05:24] Maybe not all the women understood that because they were so indoctrinated to please him and do whatever their master wanted. But all of it, Das rests on the concept of at cause and is dependent on it. So everything that's set up for is designed for abuse

[00:05:42] but can always have plausible deniability that it's not that. Yeah, I think it was pre-planned to scratch all his indulgences. So this is actually a question I think I got from my Instagram. I didn't catch the name. I didn't, I copied and pasted it into my notes.

[00:05:56] I didn't catch the name. So whoever this is, thank you. Have been following and watching the vow on other docs and listening to the podcast, watching YouTube clips, etc. have been continually fascinated and intrigued and appalled. Glad you got out and doing what you're doing.

[00:06:09] There's so many interviews and accounts of women documented but relatively little and few accounts from men other than Nipian Mark. Can you or will you guys shed some light on the male member dynamic? Were they involved in similar rituals? Were they indoctrinated to facilitate Keith's plan

[00:06:22] regarding the women or influence to act similarly? Did some men have their own master slave groups with men or women? Curious, thank you. Nice work. Also, who will play you guys in the movie? The short answer is no. However, Mark and I have been talking

[00:06:37] and he's starting to think, and I don't necessarily agree with him, but nothing would surprise me, that there may have been some other men's thing where they're collateral. They collateralize something and he thinks some of the people that are still loyal may have been part of that

[00:06:53] and then that maybe Mark and I were bypassed. I don't necessarily think that, but at this point, like with everything that we've been wrong about and what's come out, you know, I don't know. But in terms of what you've seen in DOS,

[00:07:05] there's nothing like that except for some collateral stuff about, like, if I don't enroll a person this month, I'm going to give 250 bucks to a charity or something like that. Who's going to play us in the movie?

[00:07:18] There was a terrible lifetime movie made a couple of years ago and we can't even talk about it. It was terrible. I'll add something. I mean, just from my perspective, it seemed like, you know, as coaches, the men and women had some similar roles.

[00:07:33] There were more female facilitators, like in terms of teaching the curriculum and more women. I mean, generally more women were involved and I at the time, I always thought it was because they were more interested in doing the introspective work.

[00:07:46] It's sort of a cliche in terms of the emotional work. But we had quite a few men and I think that things changed and got more intense as SOP and GENES were introduced. But in terms of similar rituals,

[00:08:01] I mean, SOP had rituals in terms of like men getting together and you know, they would stand if people were late and they'd go like stand in really early hours of the morning in silence and waiting for somebody who was late.

[00:08:16] I mean, maybe you can speak more to that, but that's a kind of a ritual, isn't it, Nip? No, there wasn't a whole lot of that though. Okay. Well, I wasn't part of it so I can't comment but there was definitely more women than men in Nexium.

[00:08:28] It wasn't sexual abuse. No, see women were brought into the pipeline we know now for Keith and I think the men were there to like, you know, protect him and like a Nipi's sake to be the face of it.

[00:08:41] Like, hey look, we got this Ivy League former quarterback. Yeah, I don't even know if it was that. We don't know. We know. We don't know. But what we do know is that you served a different purpose for him. Don't you think? Yep. Little big cutie.

[00:09:00] Little big cutie. Little big cutie.